Some Observations in case you care...
#1
Posted 05 February 2006 - 11:07 AM
I was so bored last night I watched ESB. At first, I thought I’d try to learn something new and watch it with the audio commentary. After about 5 min, I started over without it. Hearing GLs voice makes my skin crawl. Plus, Carrie Fisher sounded like they might have sedated her or something, and that really made me sad.
Anyway…
1. You guys were right - Han did make some sort of stupid looking shelter with a tv antenna sticking out of the top.
2. How in gods name did the wampa get Luke to hang from the ceiling upsidedown. His feet were melted into the ceiling and then refrozen. The wampa probably didn’t even have eating utensils let alone some sort of sophisticated melting/freezing device for just such occasions.
3. Luke Skywalker could have easily killed that wampa - but instead he cut off his arm and ran like an idiot into a blizzard on an ice planet, where even the indigenous species that have evolved to be well adapted to the climate (taun tauns for example) will suddenly freeze as soon as the sun goes down. Idiot!
4. I’m in the military. If I say “hey, Capt Whoever, I’ll take this F-117 Stealth Fighter and meet you guys at the rendezvous point” and then I secretly skirt of to some tropical getaway, for whatever reason… I’m gonna be in a shitload of trouble. This would probably warrant a court-martial and a good 20 years in Leavenworth… or possibly a secret CIA torture camp.
5. I was remarking to my husband (which I have for legal purposes in case you were wondering), how Luke is pretty much an idiot and he always seems to get lucky in the end. He drew the parallel that Luke was like Scooby Do, at which point I laughed til I cried.
6. I know this has been addressed already, but the scene where Obi wan says ‘that boy is our last hope’ really pissed me off. I had been watching ESB innocently, without remembering the PT even existed, until this point when I was unfortunely reminded of the massive plot hole.
6. C3po and r2d2 are NOT at all irritating in this movie. Not once did I think to myself ‘what STUPID characters - this is so STUPID god I HATE George Lucas, why the FUCK am I watching this.
On the contrary, I really enjoyed watching ESB, even though I have seen it at least 300 times. The humor was very subtle, the effects were pretty good. the acting was entirely believable, as was the story - and the new and improved additions (since it was the special addition after all) were minimal, though still unforgivable.
The feel of this movie was so different from any of the PT. It was really nice to be reminded why I loved Star Wars.
Anyway…
1. You guys were right - Han did make some sort of stupid looking shelter with a tv antenna sticking out of the top.
2. How in gods name did the wampa get Luke to hang from the ceiling upsidedown. His feet were melted into the ceiling and then refrozen. The wampa probably didn’t even have eating utensils let alone some sort of sophisticated melting/freezing device for just such occasions.
3. Luke Skywalker could have easily killed that wampa - but instead he cut off his arm and ran like an idiot into a blizzard on an ice planet, where even the indigenous species that have evolved to be well adapted to the climate (taun tauns for example) will suddenly freeze as soon as the sun goes down. Idiot!
4. I’m in the military. If I say “hey, Capt Whoever, I’ll take this F-117 Stealth Fighter and meet you guys at the rendezvous point” and then I secretly skirt of to some tropical getaway, for whatever reason… I’m gonna be in a shitload of trouble. This would probably warrant a court-martial and a good 20 years in Leavenworth… or possibly a secret CIA torture camp.
5. I was remarking to my husband (which I have for legal purposes in case you were wondering), how Luke is pretty much an idiot and he always seems to get lucky in the end. He drew the parallel that Luke was like Scooby Do, at which point I laughed til I cried.
6. I know this has been addressed already, but the scene where Obi wan says ‘that boy is our last hope’ really pissed me off. I had been watching ESB innocently, without remembering the PT even existed, until this point when I was unfortunely reminded of the massive plot hole.
6. C3po and r2d2 are NOT at all irritating in this movie. Not once did I think to myself ‘what STUPID characters - this is so STUPID god I HATE George Lucas, why the FUCK am I watching this.
On the contrary, I really enjoyed watching ESB, even though I have seen it at least 300 times. The humor was very subtle, the effects were pretty good. the acting was entirely believable, as was the story - and the new and improved additions (since it was the special addition after all) were minimal, though still unforgivable.
The feel of this movie was so different from any of the PT. It was really nice to be reminded why I loved Star Wars.
#2
Posted 05 February 2006 - 05:59 PM
QUOTE (Sailor Abbey @ Feb 5 2006, 11:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. How in gods name did the wampa get Luke to hang from the ceiling upsidedown. His feet were melted into the ceiling and then refrozen. The wampa probably didn’t even have eating utensils let alone some sort of sophisticated melting/freezing device for just such occasions.
he used luke's lightsabre.
duh...
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#4
Posted 05 February 2006 - 10:16 PM
QUOTE (Sailor Abbey @ Feb 5 2006, 09:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
On the contrary, I really enjoyed watching ESB, even though I have seen it at least 300 times. The humor was very subtle, the effects were pretty good. the acting was entirely believable, as was the story - and the new and improved additions (since it was the special addition after all) were minimal, though still unforgivable.
The feel of this movie was so different from any of the PT. It was really nice to be reminded why I loved Star Wars.
The feel of this movie was so different from any of the PT. It was really nice to be reminded why I loved Star Wars.
I know the feeling. I watch ESB or any movie made before the CGI craze, I feel like I'm watching a movie. But I watch the prequels or almost anything made around the same time period and I feel like I'm watching a video game crossed with a bunch of commercials. A lot of films made these days give me that vibe.
I am the Fisher King.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an obi-wan to go.
I'd like a qui-gon jinn please with an obi-wan to go.
#5
Posted 06 February 2006 - 09:13 AM
QUOTE (barend @ Feb 5 2006, 05:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
he used luke's lightsabre.
duh...
duh...
Of course.
How silly of me.
#11
Posted 06 February 2006 - 09:14 PM
maybe darth tyranus (dooku) taught them when he was down on hoth (SW:HS2)
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#12
Posted 07 February 2006 - 03:30 PM
^^^^Hahaha! Love that movie.
I know the feeling. I watch ESB or any movie made before the CGI craze, I feel like I'm watching a movie. But I watch the prequels or almost anything made around the same time period and I feel like I'm watching a video game crossed with a bunch of commercials. A lot of films made these days give me that vibe.
I'm in the same boat. Sadly, this is the future of films, and I don't know if I could be part of it. The thing is, a lot of kids growing up on it right now will think this is "reality" in films (if you know what I'm saying), and this is all a movie can be. Then it becomes like the serpent devouring its tail. Those kids who were raised on CGI as the only form of movie making will get into movie-making and those movies will be less real, and so on...
I'm showing my age, but I'm missing movies and how they were made before the advent of CGI.
[Shrug] I just don't know what to say anymore. I'm sure the response to me will be, "move out of the way, old timer, they don't make movies for you anymore."
And I guess that's the deal. That's what Lucas sees. He not only crapped on my childhood, but he disregards me (and others of my age) as a consumer now. I feel used.
I know the feeling. I watch ESB or any movie made before the CGI craze, I feel like I'm watching a movie. But I watch the prequels or almost anything made around the same time period and I feel like I'm watching a video game crossed with a bunch of commercials. A lot of films made these days give me that vibe.
I'm in the same boat. Sadly, this is the future of films, and I don't know if I could be part of it. The thing is, a lot of kids growing up on it right now will think this is "reality" in films (if you know what I'm saying), and this is all a movie can be. Then it becomes like the serpent devouring its tail. Those kids who were raised on CGI as the only form of movie making will get into movie-making and those movies will be less real, and so on...
I'm showing my age, but I'm missing movies and how they were made before the advent of CGI.
[Shrug] I just don't know what to say anymore. I'm sure the response to me will be, "move out of the way, old timer, they don't make movies for you anymore."
And I guess that's the deal. That's what Lucas sees. He not only crapped on my childhood, but he disregards me (and others of my age) as a consumer now. I feel used.
Flying Ferret
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
Battle for the Galaxy--read the "other Star Wars"
All I know is I haven't seen the real prequels yet.
#13
Posted 07 February 2006 - 11:27 PM
what movie is it really from?
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#14
Posted 08 May 2006 - 05:35 PM
Well, Empire was the first Star Wars movie I ever watched. In a theater. So this one started it all for me and I have strong feelings for this one.
However, I'd like to explain some of the points.
First of all, I have no idea what Han was creating there.
The second one is easier...the Wampa mus have pushed Luke against the ceiling of the cave to stock pile him as future meal. Then he (?) got bored and the Wampa turned to eat the Taun-Taun.
The point is, of course, that it makes for a cool and tense scene when Luke needs to use the force to pick up his light saber.
Why does Luke run out into a blizzard where he will freeze to death instead of killing the Wampa and stay inside the cave? Again, I have no idea. Except that it makes a cool guest appearance of Ben Kenobi who tells Luke to go to Dagobah. While he is freezing to death. Choosing this very moment briges the OT with the PT, I think. The Jedi are as dumb as ever. Even in spirit form.
Additionally, however, it shows us that the main heroes are connected wich each other. They care abt each other, and it gives Han another opportunity to save Luke. Having attachments makes them not only human - like in the PT - it makes them heroes.
Good Point about using an X-Wing for private purposes, though. However, maybe the alliance didn't have a CIA. And come to speak of it...the torture camps of the CIA are secret?
But to be serious. Maybe they just didn't want a hero of the Rebellion to stand trial...plus his Jedi training seems to be in their advance.
Uhm...where does Luke getting just "lucky"? When he get's his hand cut of by his mortal enemy? Or when that said enemy tells him he actually his his father?
There's no way to defend Bens "There is another" line, though. It got into the script to make us fear for Luke more, I think. If he isn't the only Jedi, there's a chance that he could loose the battle - and his soul - to Darth Vader.
But if they knew that Leia was the 'other' it just makes it worse, since she's in Vaders pawns too. (Makes you wonder again abt Vader force preception, though.) After the PT, this gives you shivers, I have to admit.
Of course, I love TESB, so we're on the same page here. And wasn't it nice when most of the plot holes happened in the first 15 mins of the movie, not in all of the 120 something? Especially after Mark Hamills accident that inspired that first 15 mins?
However, I'd like to explain some of the points.
First of all, I have no idea what Han was creating there.
The second one is easier...the Wampa mus have pushed Luke against the ceiling of the cave to stock pile him as future meal. Then he (?) got bored and the Wampa turned to eat the Taun-Taun.
The point is, of course, that it makes for a cool and tense scene when Luke needs to use the force to pick up his light saber.
Why does Luke run out into a blizzard where he will freeze to death instead of killing the Wampa and stay inside the cave? Again, I have no idea. Except that it makes a cool guest appearance of Ben Kenobi who tells Luke to go to Dagobah. While he is freezing to death. Choosing this very moment briges the OT with the PT, I think. The Jedi are as dumb as ever. Even in spirit form.
Additionally, however, it shows us that the main heroes are connected wich each other. They care abt each other, and it gives Han another opportunity to save Luke. Having attachments makes them not only human - like in the PT - it makes them heroes.
Good Point about using an X-Wing for private purposes, though. However, maybe the alliance didn't have a CIA. And come to speak of it...the torture camps of the CIA are secret?
But to be serious. Maybe they just didn't want a hero of the Rebellion to stand trial...plus his Jedi training seems to be in their advance.
Uhm...where does Luke getting just "lucky"? When he get's his hand cut of by his mortal enemy? Or when that said enemy tells him he actually his his father?
There's no way to defend Bens "There is another" line, though. It got into the script to make us fear for Luke more, I think. If he isn't the only Jedi, there's a chance that he could loose the battle - and his soul - to Darth Vader.
But if they knew that Leia was the 'other' it just makes it worse, since she's in Vaders pawns too. (Makes you wonder again abt Vader force preception, though.) After the PT, this gives you shivers, I have to admit.
Of course, I love TESB, so we're on the same page here. And wasn't it nice when most of the plot holes happened in the first 15 mins of the movie, not in all of the 120 something? Especially after Mark Hamills accident that inspired that first 15 mins?
#15
Posted 08 May 2006 - 08:22 PM
I liked the bit where Han walks out into a massive, endless, blizzarding wasteland and just happens to bump into Luke.
"Hey buddy! What are the chances of this happening?"
"Dunno, Han! About the same as a couple of droids launching randoming down to the surface of a planet and just happening to land in the exact place where Lucas needs them to be! Great plan, Leia!"
"Hey buddy! What are the chances of this happening?"
"Dunno, Han! About the same as a couple of droids launching randoming down to the surface of a planet and just happening to land in the exact place where Lucas needs them to be! Great plan, Leia!"